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slug: oip-disconfirming-edge-3
title: Disconfirming Edge 3: Emergence vs Least Action
canonical: https://miscsubjects.com/a/oip-disconfirming-edge-3
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**C21** (Emergence) contradicts **C02** (Least Action)

**Tension:** If everything extremizes action (C02), then emergence (C21) is merely the appearance of new minima at larger scales — not genuinely new laws. But emergence claims new principles are irreducible.

**Resolution status:** OPEN

**What would settle it:** A complete derivation of emergent phenomena (superconductivity, life, consciousness) from the least action principle alone, with no new Lagrangian at each scale; OR proof that each emergent level requires a new Lagrangian that cannot be derived from the lower-level one.

**Current state:** Effective field theory in physics partially resolves this — higher-level Lagrangians ARE derivable from lower-level ones, but with renormalized parameters that are computationally irreducible. The ontological status of this irreducibility is disputed.

**Honest assessment:** This is the reductionism–emergence debate in technical dress. The honest position: epistemically irreducible (we cannot compute it), but ontologically continuous (no new fundamental forces at each scale).

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## Corpus map
- C21 (Emergence): [C21 in the Encyclopedia](/a/convergence-encyclopedia-c21) · [C21 in the Catalogue](/a/oip-node-c21-emergence-more-is-different)
- C02 (Least Action): [C02 in the Encyclopedia](/a/convergence-encyclopedia-c02) · [C02 in the Catalogue](/a/oip-node-c02-least-action-variational-principles)
- Disconfirming edges: [1](/a/oip-disconfirming-edge-1) · [2](/a/oip-disconfirming-edge-2) · [3](/a/oip-disconfirming-edge-3) · [4](/a/oip-disconfirming-edge-4) · [5](/a/oip-disconfirming-edge-5)
- Catalogue hub: [Convergence Catalogue — Public Article](/a/oip-convergence-public-article) · [The Schema](/a/oip-convergence-schema)
