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It contains no new experimental data. Claims about cult dynamics rest on secondary accounts from Horgan and Festschrifts. The central thermodynamic observation aligns with standard statements that dissipation is required yet insufficient to specify form. No quantitative model of pattern selection appears. 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Section: Core results. Tier: mechanistic. Source: Holme blog post.\nClaim c2: Prigogine wrote “Nonequilibrium is the source of order. Nonequilibrium brings order out of chaos.” Section: Core results. Tier: anecdotal. Source: Order out of Chaos, p. 267, cited in Holme.\nClaim c3: Thermodynamics establishes that order far from equilibrium requires entropy export but does not dictate which patterns appear. Section: Convergence patterns. Tier: mechanistic. Source: standard thermodynamic statements referenced in Holme.\nClaim c4: Prigogine’s later writings extrapolate nonequilibrium ideas to politics, economics, and evolutionary patterns while rejecting unified theories. Section: Core results. Tier: anecdotal. Source: quotes from Horgan in Holme post.\nClaim c5: The post offers no model or data on pattern selection beyond the thermodynamic boundary. Section: Honest limits. Tier: anecdotal. 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